Delphi 7 personal vs. freeware
Otázka od: Tomas Krysl
17. 12. 2002 21:33
Pred par dny tu probehla bourliva diskuse o ne/legalnosti pouziti Delphi pro
vyvoj freeware.
Padl zde nazor, ze "neplacenou" verzi Delphi 7 personal nelze pouzit pro
vyvoj nekomercniho softwaru.
Po opakovanem precteni bodu 2 licencniho ujednani si myslim, ze to lze:
--- vynatek ze souboru licence.txt D7P
2. GRANT OF LICENSE AND SCOPE OF USE.
2.1 Grant of License. Subject to the terms and
conditions of this License, Borland grants to you, if
you are an individual, or, if you are an entity, one
(1) designated person in your organization ("Named
User") a personal,
nonexclusive, nontransferable and
limited license to use the Product solely to create,
compile (including byte code compile), test and
deploy, in source or object code form, your own
application programs and other works ("Works") solely
for personal use. You may not use the Product or any
Work for any commercial, business, governmental or
institutional purpose of any kind ("Commercial
Purpose"). Subject to the
other terms and conditions
of this Agreement, you may distribute your Works to
^^^^^^^
others but you may not receive any direct or indirect
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
compensation for the distribution or use of your
Works and the Works that you distribute to others may
not be used for any Commercial Purpose.
--- konec vynatku
Tedy vse za predpokladu, ze v Americe slovo Commercial Purpose stale znamena
komercni pouziti (teda ze za vyvinuty soft pozaduju prachy).
Z souboru deploy.txt dale vyplyva, ze nelze sirit jakekoli Redistributables,
takze jenom vlastni exace, balicky, ale treba i zdrojaky.
Proc se tim vubec zabyvam? Prave resim otazku:
Kdyz budu napr. vizualizacni a konfiguracni software dodavat jako soucast
ridiciho systemu (HW - cely rozvadec), muzu ho dodavat jako "pozornost"
zdarma, pricemz vyvoj bude zaplacen v cene rozvadece. Delphi 7 Prof. ale
kupovat nemusim, protoze timto zpusobem se "vejdu" do podminek licence D7
Personal.
Co na to rikate? Je to legalni?
S tim souvisi jeste jedna otazka, a to jestli Borland prodava zlevnene
licence na starsi komercne vyuzitelne verze Delphi (treba 3, 4, 5). Na
strankach Borlandu jsem nic takoveho nenasel. Kdyby treba Delphi 3 Prof
(nebo jak se ta kom. verze jmenuje) stalo 5000, pak bysme ho ve firme
koupili (postaci). 35 litru za D7 Prof. je ale neunosna cena.
Dik a cau
-----
Ing. Tomas Krysl,
programator a analytik
ALVA Strakonice s.r.o.
Pisecka 893, 386 01 Strakonice
++420 377 430 701
GSM: 776 892 206
ICQ: 176733526
tomkrysl@quick.cz
Odpovedá: Ján Harman
17. 12. 2002 22:07
Myslim ze by se to tvoje pouziti dalo taky chapat jako
"indirect
compensation".
Ján Harman, Brno, harman@atlas.cz
> Pred par dny tu probehla bourliva diskuse o ne/legalnosti pouziti Delphi
pro
> vyvoj freeware.
> Padl zde nazor, ze "neplacenou" verzi Delphi 7 personal nelze pouzit pro
> vyvoj nekomercniho softwaru.
>
> Po opakovanem precteni bodu 2 licencniho ujednani si myslim, ze to lze:
>
> --- vynatek ze souboru licence.txt D7P
>
> 2. GRANT OF LICENSE AND SCOPE OF USE.
>
> 2.1 Grant of License. Subject to the terms and
> conditions of this License, Borland grants to you, if
> you are an individual, or, if you are an entity, one
> (1) designated person in your organization ("Named
> User") a personal,
nonexclusive, nontransferable and
> limited license to use the Product solely to create,
> compile (including byte code compile), test and
> deploy, in source or object code form, your own
> application programs and other works ("Works") solely
> for personal use. You may not use the Product or any
> Work for any commercial, business, governmental or
> institutional purpose of any kind ("Commercial
> Purpose"). Subject to
the other terms and conditions
> of this Agreement, you may distribute your Works to
> ^^^^^^^
> others but you may not receive any direct or indirect
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> compensation for the distribution or use of your
> Works and the Works that you distribute to others may
> not be used for any Commercial Purpose.
>
> --- konec vynatku
>
> Tedy vse za predpokladu, ze v Americe slovo Commercial Purpose stale
znamena
> komercni pouziti (teda ze za vyvinuty soft pozaduju prachy).
>
> Z souboru deploy.txt dale vyplyva, ze nelze sirit jakekoli
Redistributables,
> takze jenom vlastni exace, balicky, ale treba i zdrojaky.
>
> Proc se tim vubec zabyvam? Prave resim otazku:
> Kdyz budu napr. vizualizacni a konfiguracni software dodavat jako soucast
> ridiciho systemu (HW - cely rozvadec), muzu ho dodavat jako "pozornost"
> zdarma, pricemz vyvoj bude zaplacen v cene rozvadece. Delphi 7 Prof. ale
> kupovat nemusim, protoze timto zpusobem se "vejdu" do podminek licence D7
> Personal.
> Co na to rikate? Je to legalni?
>
> S tim souvisi jeste jedna otazka, a to jestli Borland prodava zlevnene
> licence na starsi komercne vyuzitelne verze Delphi (treba 3, 4, 5). Na
> strankach Borlandu jsem nic takoveho nenasel. Kdyby treba Delphi 3 Prof
> (nebo jak se ta kom. verze jmenuje) stalo 5000, pak bysme ho ve firme
> koupili (postaci). 35 litru za D7 Prof. je ale neunosna cena.
>
> Dik a cau
>
> -----
> Ing. Tomas Krysl,
> programator a analytik
> ALVA Strakonice s.r.o.
> Pisecka 893, 386 01 Strakonice
> ++420 377 430 701
> GSM: 776 892 206
> ICQ: 176733526
> tomkrysl@quick.cz
>
>
Odpovedá: Ludek ZITA
18. 12. 2002 10:39
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Krysl" <tomkrysl@quick.cz>
> of this Agreement, you may distribute your Works to
> ^^^^^^^
> others but you may not receive any direct or indirect
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...........
> Kdyz budu napr. vizualizacni a konfiguracni software dodavat jako soucast
> ridiciho systemu (HW - cely rozvadec), muzu ho dodavat jako "pozornost"
> zdarma, pricemz vyvoj bude zaplacen v cene rozvadece. Delphi 7 Prof. ale
> kupovat nemusim, protoze timto zpusobem se "vejdu" do podminek licence D7
> Personal.
> Co na to rikate? Je to legalni?
Ahoj.
IMHO je to neprima platba za ten dodany SW, takze NELEGALNI.
Ludek
Odpovedá: Ing. Marek Kocan
18. 12. 2002 17:38
presne...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ján Harman" <harman@volny.cz>
To: <delphi-l@clexpert.cz>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Delphi 7 personal vs. freeware
> Myslim ze by se to tvoje pouziti dalo taky chapat jako
"indirect
> compensation".
> Ján Harman, Brno, harman@atlas.cz
>